Fuzzy Boundaries

I talked with the city a month ago and they say that the area covered by this initiative is about 7 to 8 thousand people including children. Please be accurate.

The name creations in New York helped identify a trend, people living downtown again. We see it here in Toronto too. Tribeca did not create the trend, it helped people understand the trend by localizing it and giving it a marketable name but the name itself did not lead the charge. BTW who would have thought that anybody would think it was cool to live in an area called Dumbo?

I am not a fan of made up names, especially when there are so many good names that actually have some history to them.Really Tribeca is a very cold systematic way of inventing names not unlike how "Exxon" was invented in a very expensive round of "branding". By now the Tribeca model is well known and similar naming methods risk the derision of being called copycat and possibly overreaching. The New York example is somewhat flawed in that some of the most famous areas in the world exist in New York and are named after streets. Wall Street would be the most famous example. Broadway would be another. 5Th Avenue is another. There are many other areas that are known to New Yorkers by their street name such as Prospect, Flatbush, Bowery. I don't think anybody would dare suggest giving up those names. My point is New York shows there is no hard fast rule about what naming works and we see similar examples here is Toronto too.

I don't think our reputation is that bad, I would not have moved here if it was 9 years ago. I think the point is that we don't have a public profile or at least have never actively promoted the area. As well it may be that we were once identified by the industries that no longer exist leaving a void somewhat.There is a lot of good stuff existing here already.

Sadly this info is hard to find but here is a great history of Dupont/Royce.

http://www.taddlecreekmag.com/dupont_1

I chose Royce because...

1. One word names are easy to adopt, remember, spell, and use in any context

2. Historical importance, it wasn't just rail that build this area

3. Historical importance, Royce name is still to be found in the area

4. Royce is not connected to anything else in the city, it is unique to us and will stand out on a map

5. Secondary meanings are positive- ie Rolls Royce, Royce Chocolate

6. Graphically is easy to communicate and stylize

7. It is not about shape.

8. It has none of the empty platitude descriptors that are best left on greeting cards such as "crossing" and "Harmony"

9. It doesn't mean anything, it is a canvas that is yet to be written

10. It is so unique that it will finally separate us from every well meaning mouthful of "something something triangle", "east or south something something", or City inspired "Wallace-Dovercourt-Emerson-Perth- Triangle- Octagon" name.

I like trees but I would suspect that one would be more likely to think of Norway Maples than Black Oak when thinking about the area. Sad that those Norway Maples were not right for this climate and are being lost at a rapid rate. Still I would not want to call the area Norway Maple as it could be anywhere.

I would second the poster that said Black Oak is generic. Its kind of like calling our area Southern Ontario because that's where the Black Oak Savannah was/is (and there is not much left). Then adding "triangle" to it just bad form; too many words.

Regardless of how great black oak may be our culture generally assigns a negative connotation to things that have "black" as a descriptor. "Black Oak" is the name of a cemetery at the edge of town or the lodge where the recluse lives or the nursing home with the mysterious deaths. I think 5 or 6 of the Nancy Drew books have Black in the title! Black Oak, unfairly, just sounds bad.

I like trees but I just don't see any connection to our area and only see a potential negative association.

I too love our "forgotten spots." Someone posted earlier that the neighbourhood feels like a cozy little secret. Others might call it neglected by politicians etc., but that seems like a victim mentality. This is a GREAT neighbourhood. I think the most important thing is for the name to mean something for the people who live here.

Pascale Crane sent a message using the contact form at http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/contact.
"Sorry, I could not submit a name for the neighbourhood earlier due to my mum's funeral."

"Please consider my choice The Bermuda Triangle...as our neighbourhood forms kind of a triangle in-between different neighbourhoods and is so "isolated" and "ignored" by Torontonians...with a name like this, it will get famous!!!"

Pascale, we are all sorry to hear about your mum. Our condolences. Thanks for making the effort under difficult circumstances to contribute an idea that would definitely attract some attention to the neighbourhood.

sounds like something that will date quickly, but i like your reasoning. What about Rail Town?

Interesting! I was at the local library the other day, flipping through a book about the Junction and area, and saw an old map with Dupont Street labeled as Ethel. Seems it predated the Royce name. Ethelville?? Ethel Triangle?

It is a nice article, however, the writer mistakenly added in the last sentence that there will be a panel in the voting process. There will be NO panel in the voting process -- all residents, all the time.

This sure will keep things interesting. Kids often have a surprising perspective. My six-year-old intends to vote for "No Diesel Trains Neighbourhood" but it may not go over well with those who found South Junction Triangle cumbersome. NoDiTraNei anyone?

I will cover off knocking on doors Perth between Wallace and Ernest Avenue.

Good point Irmina. It would be an oversight to forget to say thanks to Carmen and everyone at the Perth/Dupont Library who have been so supportive of the project from Day One - the photo exhibit by our over-worked web guy Vic, the name suggestion box, hosting our Fuzzy film night and now providing a polling station - they display a level of community spirit that is just so great!

Just to follow up on Kristin's post, we have a limited number of lawn signs available. You could help advance the project a lot just by posting a sign on your front porch. The signs work 24/7 and are a great way of building awareness with friends and neighbours who might not know about the voting process. You can just drop us a line with your name and address at http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/contact and we will come by and post a sign for you.
Many thanks!

Hello Yasi,
The top ten names will be posted at the END of the voting period. Right now, people can vote for any name they like, whether it's on the list or not -- Warren's list gives you a shorter version to work from, but any name can be voted for at this point. See the naming process link at left for more details. Also, there will be new info posted very soon about the panel. Thanks for your enthusiasm.

We can't really say the top 10 before people vote of course, but from the meeting you can legitimately say the following names had the most initial support. At this point people should vote with their heart. If you like the name 'Redemption' you should vote for it. But these names were publicly nominated and received support as being acceptable.

Black Oak Triangle
Nook
Wedge

Railtown
Sojuta

Junction Triangle
Perth Park
Perth Square
Royce
Symington Triangle
Symington Wedge
The Triangle
Wallace Crossing