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Got a great suggestion for a neighbourhood name? Post it here!What do you call our neighbourhood? How do others in the city refer to it? What is your preference for an "official" neighbourhood name, and why? This is the spot to leave your answers to these and any other questions that come to mind about names for our community. Check back regularly to see if others have posted opinions about your suggestions, and feel free to post your thoughts about theirs. Whether you’re new to the neighbourhood, a seasoned resident, or somewhere in between, your ideas count.
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Responding to your last blog
Kevin responding to your last blog and my last, I said from the beginning I am not opposed to the name change, If that is what the residents want. YOU KEEP REPEATING, THAT IT'S NON-BINDING, TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUE. You said I was opposed to the name change, rather I and many other residents was against all the untrue and hurtful things you were saying about the hood. That is what bugged me and many other residents, Stuff like the community been in an identity crisis, a community with no name, residents not knowing where they live. The only who we felt was confused was you. I spoke to one resident who have lived here for about 50 plus yrs and she was offened by your comments. You have taken it upon yourself to be judge and jury. You can say it's Non-Binding, I say, you have to tell the residents the truth that they are not the ones who will be picking the community name, rather a panel.
Lastly, you made comments about me not paprticipating in your fuzzy meeting, there many others over, 12,000 residents who live in the hood, many didn't go to the meetings either, for whatever reason. You are punishing them for not attending. As long as we live in the Juntion Triangle we are all equal and have a voice.
Not everyone feels insulted
I have been a recent addition to this area and live around long time residents who have grown up here or have raised their family here and are now retired. By no means are old residents in agreement that the area is called Junction Triangle. Many have told me this area has no name and are happily witnessing the changes around them. If there are some 12,000 residents in this area, are you telling me sir that you personally talk to every single one of them to boldly state:
"That is what bugged me and many other residents, Stuff like the community been in an identity crisis, a community with no name, residents not knowing where they live. The only who we felt was confused was you."
When I asked about you, these old timers have no idea who you are Jack and yet you state:
"You are punishing them for not attending. As long as we live in the Juntion Triangle we are all equal and have a voice."
My neighbours or myself did NOT attend the meeting and when I asked them if they felt left out of the process, they didn't mind, because others were caring enough to be involved in a community project. I'm not offended about the project or how it's been planned. I don't know you. Yet, you keep stating that you speak for me and my neighbours while accusing this Kevin person of the very same thing. I've never met you and you keep complaining about other residents feeling insulted. Please stop making generalizations about an area of, as you keep stating, some 12,000 residents, because I doubt you know 6,000 residents that will all completely agree with your opinion.
My neighbours and myself are looking forward to the outcome.
Keilah
Yes many feel insulted, lied to and decieved
Yes, your are diffently allowed your opinion and input and yes we differ in opinions and that's okay, that's my point. I don't know who you are and your neighbours. I didn't claim to know everyone. My point in the email was the process of naming the neighbourhood was a lie and misleading. I and many other residents, maybe not 6000 as you claim, more then the hand full of people that are involved in fuzzy or the process, feel that the residents should be the one's to chose a name and not a panel. A community name belongs to all residents and not a chosen few. So we have forwarded our complaints to the City and others to put a stop to this joke. Giving democracy a bad name. This is some of the games you hear about with the government of Iran, North Korea and other corrupted governments. If you want to be part of that go ahead, but many of us don't.
What Banana Republic?
Even if the number of people you claim to know disagree with the process is more then a handful compared to the naming committee, it is a far stretch to start comparing North Korea and other banana republics to a neighbourhood project that is trying to build community spirit. That says to me that you are full of ego trying to blow something way out of proportion.
You claim that people are entitled to their own opinion. Yet, you sir seem to have issues of egotism. Whenever I read your responses on community web sites, including DigIn, I always get the distinct impression that the only voice you hear is your own. 100 individuals, including god (if one exists) can blatantly point out your contradictions using the very words you write and you will still come of it hearing only your own voice. One day your blind arrogance and meddling will be your downfall and finally end your egotistical moralizing of others -- not that you'll actually be self aware enough when that day arrives.
Keilah
You speak about a neighbourhood project, trying to build spirit
You say that I am full of ego, blowing things out of proportion. Trying to bring the truth out in the open is not blowing things out of proportion . I guess you and the fuzzy group see no problem been decitful to residents about the voting process. I do and so do others. You are going on about things, that don't mean a thing to me, if it's not relate to the discussion, you lost me. Unfortunately you are not getting the emails that have been getting, circulating around, it's more then a handful of people apposed to this. You know the truth will set you free, you and the fuzzy group still have time to do that. You guys speak about trying to build spirits, yet all I see or hear is lies. Residents aren't dumb, just because many in the community english is not their first language does not mean you guys should take advantage of that.
nice to hear
Nice to hear a positive response from a newcomer surrounded by oldtimers. I too know of people who've lived here a long time and have responded well to the naming idea. Another woman at the meeting told a story similar to yours -- she was speaking with a group of women in their sixties and seventies, all of whom had grown up in the neighbourhood and had no idea what to call it!
Very Entertaining Lis of Potential Names
I just read the list of names. I love it. Very amusing - totally made my day. I look forward to tonight. Thank you to the wonderful organizers of this event and all the name contributors.
if you have already suggested ...
Just to be clear, if you have already suggested a name via this site, do you need to "vote" (really its more of a nominate) the name again? A few people have asked me this.
Voting starts tonight
Yes, you will need to Vote. If you visit this site after tonight's meeting, there will be an online voting form. Also a ballot box at the Perth-Dupont library.
Ballot boxes close on January 29th.
NoNeCho
I like the sound of Chuvalo, and The Wedge is quite appropriate, and while I often refer to it as "North Parkdale" i like to call it No~Ne~Cho as a short for "north of nestle chocolate" and it often smells like it too YUM
Thursday's Meeting
Thursday's third and final public meeting will be held at the new Boys and Girls Club location at 45 Ernest Avenue at 7 p.m. The meeting will be moderated by Fuzzy Boundaries' group member Warren McPherson. The meeting is designed to give everyone an opportunity to speak about a name they like or dislike.
The format is quite simple, the moderator will select people at random to speak for one or two minutes for a neighbourhood name they like. The floor will then be open for one other person to speak against that name (if there is anyone). The moderator will then select another person to speak about a different name, then a person against that name and so on until all the names have been covered. Then the meeting will go through all the names a second time that people want to speak for and against and then a third time (and so on) until everyone has had an opportunity to speak.
At the end of the meeting ballots will be made available for anyone wishing to vote for a name. For people who want to think about their decision a little more, the formal voting period will run from Janaury 15 to January 29. You can vote on-line here at the Fuzzy Boundaries web site or at the Perth/Dupont location of the Toronto Public Library at 1589 Dupont Street.
We hope to see you on Thursday night.
Undecided
After weeks of discussing a name, I am undecided. Hope to hear some convincing arguments on Thursday night!
Another Suggestion
Karen sent a message using the contact form at http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/contact. Karen likes the name "Parkette" - For the many mini-parks in our hood! See you on the 14th.
10 Days
There are just 10 days remaining in the 120-day public consultation period for the Fuzzy Boundaries project. Next Thursday, January 14th we will hold our final public meeting before the start of two weeks of voting to narrow the list of names to the Top 10.
Many thanks to everyone who has participated with name ideas and comments. If you have not made your views known yet, we hope that you will take this opportunity to add your voice to the discussion.
Different Languages
I once brought up the fact that it would be interesting to hear about names in different languages so I ask a parent at the drop in centre to tell me how to say neighbour in Portuguese. It is Vizinho and she also told me how to say friend as well. It is Amigo, same as Spanish. How about Vizinho as an option? How about other cultures?
In Dutch
Katie, in Dutch, the word friend is not so different "vriend." Neighbours are distinguished by gender so it is buurvrouw (neighbour woman) and buurman (neighbour man). Buurman might work well in the winter, as people often say "buurrr, man is it cold."
A Reader Writes
Anthea Foyer sent a message using the contact form at http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/contact. I really like the new ideas in the discussion forum about a person that was integral to the neighbourhood but the name that keeps sticking in my mind is a variation on a name already on the list. I would like to add 'The Wedge' to the list of potential names. Happy New Year and thanks for all of your work on this!
Silverthorn
On Google Maps it lists the name of our neighbourhood as Silverthorn.
I checked and did not see it on the list of proposed names here so I wanted to add it. I am not sure how established the name is or if it is officially registered or broadly used but believe it is also worth consideration :)
A Google Mistake
Silverthorn is a Google mistake that keeps on giving. Silverthorn is a nice name and it is used by a neighbourhood just north of here in the Rogers Road and Caledonia area.
Google incorrectly applies the name Silverthorn to our neighbourhood on their map. A number of people have tried repeatedly to get Google to fix the error, but no one has responded.
If anyone has information or experience getting this kind of mapping issue resolved, we would really appreciate your help.
Happy Holidays!
If it has been a bit quiet here for awhile, it is only because all of us working on the Fuzzy Boundaries project have been enjoying the holidays. We hope that everyone has a chance to make the most of the festive season.
The new images of the neighbourhood on the Fuzzy homepage are from our formal meeting announcement that will be coming in the mail next week. We are looking forward to the January 14th meeting where everybody will have an opportunity to make a pitch for their favourite name. We will detail the meeting process and explain how you can participate in early January.
We hope that you can join us on the 14th. Until then, from all of us at Fuzzy Boundaries, we wish you a Happy New Year!
Lot 34
If we are considering unusual/unique names that reflect our history, how about Lot 34? Most of the neighbourhood was part of lot 34, second concession from the bay in York county before we were annexed into the City of Toronto. John Shedden owned most of it and after his untimely death the division of the area into smaller parcels of land began which put us on the road to becoming a neighbourhood.
Chuvalo
Forget the phony names.
How often does an area get to choose a name that truly reflects the history of a person that was part of that area?
Chuvalo.
Directly connected to the history of our area and to the history of our country. The only person that the great Ali could not knock down. A person who the trials and tribulations of a hard life could not knock down. A voice for reaching out, helping, fighting the scourge of drugs and violence. A person who made his reputation with his fists but earned a country's respect with his heart.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Chuvalo
You don't need farm, or rail, or triangle, or crossing: Find another name that cuts to the quick like this.Find another name that sweats when you think of it. Find another name that emotes passion, perseverance, and healing. A generic name this aint.
Chuvalo
This is a great idea, totally off the path that we have been going in so far. I was also wondering if there is something that we could come up with that isn't in english. Brett had mentioned at one of the meetings that people in Portugal knew of our neighbourhood because of the industry and the work that it had to offer. I was wondering if there was a word in portuguese for neighbour, friend or workplace. Just an idea.
Chuvalo
Great pitch!
Shedden something.....
I still really like Shedden......Shedden village sounds great, but not sure of all the "villages" that already exist in T.O.
Shedden
Just not sure it would have any meaning for most people. I think "experts" warn against naming a place after a historical something/someone that's no longer common knowledge.
Shedden again and again
Interesting how it keeps coming up though.....
Name idea
How about Ruprechtville?!
Ruprechtville?
I think calling ourselves "Ruprechtville" would be like taking a step backwards from unknown to invisible!
Ruprechtville
Whoprechtville?
How Awesome?
Scott Stanley sent us an e-mail. Scott says,"I believe our area would totally benefit from the name Awesome Town. What child would not like to be able to tell their friends that they grew up in Awesome Town!? We would be the envy of all other areas of Toronto. Businesses would flock to our area just to set up shop and say they have an Awesome Town location! I know this may sound like a joke to some but I am sincere when I say that I would be proud to live in Awesome Town!"
awesome town
Hilarious. Certainly shows community pride!
What about Railview? Although
What about Railview? Although I like The Wedge best of all!
The Wedge
is really starting to grow on me.
Railside Gardens
Out with a friend the other night who thinks "Railside Gardens" would be a good name for the neighbourhood. The rail connection is obvious and with all the former industrial lands finding new uses, the area is being transformed from a workshop into something a little greener.
Name Confusion Centuries Old
It appears that confusion about the neighbourhood name dates back to at least the 1890s. A search of the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail newspaper databases reveals that news stories about the neighbourhood appeared in both papers until sub-headings like "Junction News Notes," "Junction Notes," and "From the Junction."
The revealation begs the question, is it time to end the confusion and select a new, distinct name or continue the confusion with Junction Triangle?
name confusion
I still don't buy the confusion argument. I think if we end up adopting JT as our "official" name, we will already have gone some distance in beginning to promote it. The more our community comes together, and the more great things there are happening here, the more "distinct" we will be, whether or not our name is similar to our neighbour's name. So JT still wins it for me. But unlike Scott, I would like to see it become official rather than just going along as we have been. And I fully support the process and will use the name the community chooses. (Unless it's Harmony Crossing! That one makes my teeth ache.)
Name Suggestion
I'd like to see Blansdowne added to the list.
Blansdowne
I have added it to the list.
I actually kind of like Blansdowne as a nickname for the general Bloor-Lansdowne area, even though it brings up connotations of "bland"...
I think it sort of misses out on our own specific part of the area though.
A certain Funkaoshi character is working hard to bring the Blansdowne name into common use. :) Without all this formal process too!
Insteresting Stuff
I like the A.D. (Arts District) name suggestion and I think that "Brockton Addition" is a relly interesting discovery http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/node/8#comment-327. Any way to find out exactly what year that name was applied to the neighbourhood?
Brockton Addition
Thanks for your posting Fuzzy Resident. We hope that more research at the Archives will reveal the exact date that the name "Brockton Addition" was applied to the neighbourhood. As soon as we find out, we will pass along the information.
Being Included
I just wanted to point out that some people keep saying that we are already named and that name is The Junction Triangle but on many neighbourhood maps that is not the case. You can even look in the front of your Yellowpages at the maps and our area is nameless. Parkdale is mapped out, the Junction is mapped out but our area is not. I am looking forward to having a name that everyone in the city will know us for in the next few weeks.
Just because things are not
Just because things are not on maps doesnt mean they are not used.
A case in point: Ardwick,Duncanwood,Driftwood, G Side, Falstaff
You wont find these names listed on a map as communities but gang members and locals of the Jane Finch area know and use these names.
A case in point: "Six Points"
Everybody in the Rexdale/Islington area uses the name 6 points to define an area where Bloor and Dundas cross. You rarely see it on maps but people use it and stores use it as part of their name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islington-Six_Points
A case in point: "Sunnyside"
You don't see Sunnyside on many maps but as a previous 24 year resident of Parkdale I can say that people definitely use the name with pride. Again some stores use the name in their business name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunnyside,_Toronto
A case in point: "M6P 3X7"
That is the name of my community by many standards that apply to the usual names. Most people in my community know this name, see this name everyday, and can be found by using these letters and numbers but you won't see many maps with this name on it but they exist:
http://www.unitedwaytoronto.com/whatWeDo/reports/povertyByPostalCode.php
My point is that people often use names in different ways than the official way.Just because something doesn't show up in some media doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Think of a dictionary vs slang. Both valid and both often describing the same thing but from different vantage points. Obvious example: "neighborhood" and "hood".
I hear Junction Triangle every week from somebody in the hood. The reason it is not on maps is probably because nobody ever promoted it, ever felt the need to so it remains a very local thing. A local thing that some feel very passionate about and thats why the name keeps coming up. It exists.
Official vs. Local
You get to the heart of the matter at the end of your interesting posting Scott. The name Junction Triangle is a very local thing and the purpose of this naming process is to reach beyond that and determine an official neighbourhood name that everyone will recognize City-wide.
I don't understand your point about dictionary terms and slang. If slang was valid, the hood would be called P-block. A lot of kids in the area use the term and I have seen it scrawled on park benches in the neighbourhood.
No one denies that Junction Triangle exists and that some people use it. The question is, is that the best name for the neighbourhood? It came into use in the late 1970s and essentially fell out of common use once the local environmental group stopped their activities.
As you have pointed out, the name Junction Triangle was never properly/actively promoted, so we have an opportunity now to bind the neighbourhood together by determining a collective identity because there is an "identity gap", i.e., there is no common agreement on what to call the neighbourhood. Do we rush back to the last name used or seize this chance to create something new and unique?
Having an opportunity to participate and voice your thoughts, I hope that whatever the outcome of the naming process might be that you will adopt the name and use it.
Triangle
The more I learn about the improvements for our neighbourhood that were made possible activists of the seventies, the more respect I have for those who gave their time and talent.
For this reason I am in favour of a name that includes the word "Triangle". We can honour those who marched under the "Junction Triangle" banner just as well by including "Triangle" without adding the confusion of "Junction" to the mix.
triangle, chuvalo
I agree, Katie, Scott's Chuvalo idea really opens things up. Nice to see something totally fresh being put forward so late in the game. And Sally, I'm also impressed by what I've learned of the activism in the neighbourhood back then. Makes it all the more frustrating to hear about the diesel/electric controversy right on our door step. What about Chuvalo Triangle?
another interesting map story
I noticed in the new York Times on Sunday a story about Pashtunistan.
"In his address Tuesday night, the president mentioned Pakistan and the Pakistanis some 25 times, and called Pakistan and Afghanistan collectively “the epicenter of the violent extremism practiced by Al Qaeda.”
But he might have had an easier time explaining what he was really proposing had he set the national boundaries aside and told Americans that the additional soldiers and marines were being sent to another land altogether: Pashtunistan.
That land is not on any map, but it’s where leaders of Al Qaeda and the Taliban both hide. It straddles 1,000 miles of the 1,600-mile Afghan-Pakistani border. It is inhabited by the ethnic Pashtuns, a fiercely independent people that number 12 million on the Afghan side and 27 million on the Pakistani side. They have a language (Pashto), an elaborate traditional code of legal and moral conduct (Pashtunwali), a habit of crossing the largely unmarked border at will, and a centuries-long history of foreign interventions that ended badly for the foreigners. "
I have read a lot about the area and a great start is "The Places Inbetween " by Rory Stewart and its interesting how Pashtunistan has resisted all attempts to be officially part of anybody elses maps. As the this story describes, the Pashtun just ignore the official borders and names and use their culture as the roadmap.
By slang vs dictionary I meant, in the case of this story, that the borders of Afghanistan and Pakistan were official, as if you looked them up in a dictionary, and that the Pashtunistan nation would be like slang, the reality on the ground and that inclusion or omission in the official bureaucracy neither confirms or denies the usage or existence on the ground.
Most Important Decade
The 1878 County of York Atlas shows five property owners in the area between Bloor Street and present day Dupont - Jim Harrison, Mrs. Jane Farr, Richard West, Mrs. Elizabeth Campbell and George Cooper. Within ten years all these properties were sold and the area transformed into a planned neighbourhood as part of the City of Toronto.
The final piece of train track was layed north of Dupont in 1884 to complete the triangle that shapes our neighbourhood. A train station was opened at Dupont and Dundas where the tracks form a junction and the first lots for sale in the area on the east side of the tracks (Edwin, Franklin and Ethel Street) were advertised.
As part of York County, our neighbourhood was annexed in two pieces to the City of Toronto. In 1884, the land south of Bloor was annexed to the City as part of Brockton Village. In 1888, the land north of Bloor Street and east of the Dundas rail corridor was annexed to the City.
A train station opened at Bloor and Dundas in 1887 and lots for sale were advertised on Perth Avenue, south of Wallace.
The largest section of the neighbourhood to be divided into lots and offered for sale was called the "Brockton Addition" and included almost all the land north of Wallace up to Davenport and from the Dundas rail corridor east to present day Emerson Avenue (two streets east of Lansdowne). The archives believe this happened in 1880-something. Judging by some of the street names, this could have happened in 1889.
So the 1880s saw our area move from farmland in York County to a planned urban neighbourhood with rail connections as part of the City of Toronto. Our development is completely tied to the growth of the railways. When the railways began opening stations in the area, property developers followed and farmland was transformed into city housing with mixed industrial/commercial uses along the train tracks.
Impressive List at 206
The tally of names has risen to 206 suggestions. It is impressive and covers everything from the A.D. (Arts District) to the West Toronto Junction. The complete list of names has been updated and is posted on the site at http://www.fuzzyboundaries.ca/NameTally
With just about seven weeks remaining in the formal consultation period, there is still time to make a suggestion or comment on something you have read here. We want to hear from you!
Bloor Street South 1890
The City of Toronto Archives has a very helpful series of books called "Goad's Fire Insurance Plans" that show the development of the City street by street dating back to 1878.
The Goad's plan for 1890 shows the early transformation of the land south of Bloor Street from farm land to mixed residential/commercial uses. Three residential streets (Perth, Symington and Mallow) appear on the map running south from Bloor. Very few buildings are indicated, but the lots have all been divided. Symington (later re-named Sterling) did not connect with Perth Avenue. All three streets just dead-end in the middle of the area.
About two-thirds of the land south of Bloor Street was owned at the time by William Leak. By 1903, William Leak had sold off a small piece of his land (around the Toronto social services building and Nestle factory) and the beginnnings of Sterling Road running North from Dundas is indicated. By 1910, William Leak had sold off his remaining property which was divided into industrial sized lots.